Bitcoin is now trading at institutional level depth, and here to talk all about it is our next guest, Adrian Fritz, chief investment strategist at 21 Shares.
Nice to see you.
Thanks for the time today.
Thanks for having me, JD.
Is it in your view that Bitcoin right now is, or at least should be, a core allocation instead of just its own trade?
I think it should be, and I think it's becoming consensus as well.
I mean, even the big asset managers, they kind of say something between 2% to 6% should be in a multi-asset portfolio.
So I think it's not if you should own it or not.
It's really about sizing and how how you bring it into your portfolio.
I wonder what you've seen.
The end of February since the start of the conflict in Iran and the broader Middle East region, is geopolitical risk now a key driver of Bitcoin flows?
What correlation have you recognized?
I wouldn't call it a key driver, but we've seen in the past that Bitcoin kind of acts as that chaos hatch almost.
I mean, it's performing quite nicely.
I mean it's up almost 20% since the start of the war and therefore I mean it's been reflected in ETF flows as well.
Yes, of course.
Let me ask you about sticky capital.
Are institutional flows making Bitcoin less volatile, and is that more of the story of BTC's overall resilience as you've seen it?
I think in the long run, of course, Bitcoin is being institutionalized.
It will get the volatility is coming down.
We've seen this historically.
And of course it comes with the ETFs as well, but as you said, the sticky money is quite surprising, um, and I think it's not necessarily about the size of the flows.
I think what's more interesting is actually the timing, um, because of course Bitcoin is still under its all-time highs, but we see those traditional investors allocating and taking positions.
The last few weeks we've been talking a lot more about recent efforts from groups like Morgan Stanley and others.
MSBT just their latest iteration is Wall Street about to own the next leg of the crypto rally and how do you look at the continuation of the institutionalization conversation.
I mean, of course it's the spotlight is on Bitcoin.
Uh, I think we got to be a bit more patient, um, but also if we look at the flows like 80-90%, it still flows into Bitcoin.
All the rest like Ethereum, Solana, um, I think we first need to find a footing in regards to Bitcoin and then slowly with the right educational efforts was.
Will answer there as well.
Yes.
How close are you tracking the latest developments out of the Clarity Act?
I feel like we've been talking about this thing for so long and it's a midterm election year, but it is one of the top priorities for at least a lot of, a lot of lawmakers.
And how are you thinking about it, especially in a midterm election year?
I mean, of course, uh, we expect it to pass before the midterm elections. um, do I see it as a massive catalyst to really get us out of this bear market?
I don't think so.
I think that's a bit overblown.
I think it's a very important regulatory piece for the long run to bring more institutional confidence, but as a short term catalyst, I don't see that.
I think it's a bit uh too much.
Adrian, before I let you go, what is one reality of the broader cryptocurrency landscape that you wish more people were paying attention to?
I, I would bring it back once again.
I think it really becomes consensus.
It's not.
We don't fight for existence anymore.
The narrative has changed.
I think it's really about understanding and making up their mind on how to bring it in a portfolio, and I think that's beautiful to see.
Adrian Fritz, chief investment strategist at 21 Shares, great interview.
Thanks a lot for joining us.
Come back anytime.